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Title: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: Mayowarlord on April 03, 2017, 05:03:41 PM
I see some of you plot power and fan. How do I do that?
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: SusanJoM on April 03, 2017, 05:51:34 PM
One way is to set up buttons like these to represent the events you want to record.
There are some rudimentary directions in the Downloads Section
>Artisan and the Phidget and the HUKY
> #2 Configure the Events


Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: kctremel on April 03, 2017, 07:59:31 PM
awesome. thanks for info!
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: Mayowarlord on April 04, 2017, 09:49:56 AM
One way is to set up buttons like these to represent the events you want to record.
There are some rudimentary directions in the Downloads Section
>Artisan and the Phidget and the HUKY
> #2 Configure the Events

Thanks Susan,
I added buttons, and the events are being marked on my ET/BT lines, I found the setting to make those events plot also, but they are not dynamic. It seems that the plot flat lines rather than going up and down to match the values I have assigned to them on the button page.

What I am really after here, is the best way to follow along while I am roasting to re create a profile that I liked. It seems like the best way has been pulling up the events page from the old profile and just writing down the temps I made changes at. I feel like I am using Artisan like a type writer ;D
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: SusanJoM on April 04, 2017, 11:38:53 AM
My powers of visualization are sadly lacking.
Would you please post a profile so that I can understand better what you are describing?

And maybe you could post (or link to) a picture of a profile which is looking the way you want yours to look?

There are three different ways that the information you plug in using your buttons will show up on your graph.  There is a blank, there is "type" and there is "value".  Play  with those to see if that sorts you out.
Below are versions of the very same profile with each of the three options selected:

Meanwhile I'm gonna attach a Phidget to my HUKY2 (a solid drum/fast motor)....whoopeeeeeee....


Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: Mayowarlord on April 04, 2017, 12:26:06 PM
My powers of visualization are sadly lacking.
Would you please post a profile so that I can understand better what you are describing?

And maybe you could post (or link to) a picture of a profile which is looking the way you want yours to look?

There are three different ways that the information you plug in using your buttons will show up on your graph.  There is a blank, there is "type" and there is "value".  Play  with those to see if that sorts you out.
Below are versions of the very same profile with each of the three options selected:

Meanwhile I'm gonna attach a Phidget to my HUKY2 (a solid drum/fast motor)....whoopeeeeeee....

Thanks for all your help Susan. I am at work and away from my computer with Artisan, but I will post images later.

I have what you showed in image 2, but would really prefer image three. I bet I can sort it out.

What would be really awesome is if the time and temp of the event pupped up when you hovered over it.
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: Mayowarlord on April 04, 2017, 07:57:09 PM
My powers of visualization are sadly lacking.
Would you please post a profile so that I can understand better what you are describing?

And maybe you could post (or link to) a picture of a profile which is looking the way you want yours to look?

There are three different ways that the information you plug in using your buttons will show up on your graph.  There is a blank, there is "type" and there is "value".  Play  with those to see if that sorts you out.
Below are versions of the very same profile with each of the three options selected:

Meanwhile I'm gonna attach a Phidget to my HUKY2 (a solid drum/fast motor)....whoopeeeeeee....

Thanks for all your help Susan. I am at work and away from my computer with Artisan, but I will post images later.

I have what you showed in image 2, but would really prefer image three. I bet I can sort it out.

What would be really awesome is if the time and temp of the event pupped up when you hovered over it.


My issue is resolved. I had events set to +- rather than just power, fan etc. Switching it changed my profiles to immediately look like example 2. 

Cheers!
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: trumz on April 07, 2017, 12:17:36 PM
I have a quick question regarding ploting power and fan. 

I have custom event bottons set for my power, such as gas 1.5 kPa = event value 15, gas 2.2 kPa = even value 22.  But they only display as "P1" if I select anything between 1.0 and 1.9.  I can't get, for example, P15 to show when I click my gas 1.5 kPa bottton.

Susan, I can see in your first picture that you're able to get specific numbers on those gas setting, how did you do that?
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: SusanJoM on April 07, 2017, 12:56:57 PM
You are construing event value differently than I have.

Since my maximum gas (as delimited by the gauge I am using) is 3.75 kPa, so my value for 3.75 is 100%.
the value for 3.0 kPa would be 3/3.75 = 80%.  2.5 kPa would be 2.5/3.75 = 66% etc.


Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: trumz on April 07, 2017, 09:29:27 PM
Do you have those numbers (100, 80, 66) put into Event Value?  If you chose 83 for example, does it show 83 or 80?

Even though I have it set up differently then you, I should be able to display on the graph the correct Value I chose in the menu.
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: SusanJoM on April 08, 2017, 07:41:30 AM
Here's a snapshot of the Events >Bottons page
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: trumz on April 08, 2017, 08:26:09 AM
Hi Susan, thanks for that.  My Values are set similarly, but if I hit my 1.4 kpa button, which has a Value of 14, it will show on the graph as "P1", not "P14".  Similarly, for example my 2.2 kpa button with Value of 22 shows on graph as "P2".

Makes it hard to go back to a graph and see what power settings I used.  Any idea?
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: SusanJoM on April 08, 2017, 08:35:10 AM
I understand your predicament, but I think that the translation of P1, P2, P3  to a particular kPa may be your responsibility.

If there is a way to change that it would be good to know and I suggest that you inquire at the Artisan user list to see if anyone knows how to do it.  And let us know if you find out.
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: LTB on April 08, 2017, 09:27:02 AM
remember that you can put a curve in the background, with or without the event, to follow it !
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: hankua on April 08, 2017, 05:58:51 PM
Hi Susan, thanks for that.  My Values are set similarly, but if I hit my 1.4 kpa button, which has a Value of 14, it will show on the graph as "P1", not "P14".  Similarly, for example my 2.2 kpa button with Value of 22 shows on graph as "P2".

Makes it hard to go back to a graph and see what power settings I used.  Any idea?
Take a look at the download section; Susan has instructions how to include percentages inside the buttons that will display.
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: trumz on April 22, 2017, 08:02:23 AM
Thanks for trying to help but I still have the same problem.

I have a set value of "26" for my a power botton and when I click it, "P3" will display on my graph.  I also have a botton with a value set to 24, and "P2" will display after I click it.  Makes it hard to follow my power settings of a previous roast.

It seems that regardless of what number I put in as a value, the displayed number on the graph is rounded up.
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: SusanJoM on April 22, 2017, 08:56:21 AM
I think you will just have to get used to it.
What the label on the graph will give you is P for power or F for fan and the value that you have assigned to it.  In my case that value is the percentage of the full power that I use.  In the attached, you can see that P100 is what will show up when I press the button whose label is 3.75 kPa (since that is the amount that I consider 100% of usable gas).

As far as I can ascertain, there is no way to get the label on the graph to read the label as opposed to the value. 

However, if you find a way to do it, please let us know. 
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: trumz on April 22, 2017, 09:28:36 AM
I understand that you have your values set as a percentage.

Do you have a botton with a set Value at anything other then a round number?  And if so, does it display that number in your graph with you press that botton?  I see you have a power botton with a Value of 93.  What is displayed when you hit that botton?

As far as I can ascertain, there is no way to get the label on the graph to read the label as opposed to the value. 
Yes that would be handy.  All that I'm trying to do is when I change my gas to say, 2.4 kPa, (or 25%) to be able to see that on the graph so I can replicate the same setting in the future.
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: SusanJoM on April 22, 2017, 09:50:39 AM
This profile has P93 (button says 3.5 kPa) and P53 (button says 2.0 kPa).


If you check my question at the Artisan Users List you will see that I have attempted to figure out how to do what you would like to do

http://lists.mokelbu.de/pipermail/artisan-user/2017-April/001604.html
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: trumz on April 22, 2017, 01:06:29 PM
Hmm, interesting.  Why then does my graph show "P2" when I have the Value set to "24"?

Did you get any resonces to your question over on the other site?  I didn't see any on the link you gave.
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: SusanJoM on April 22, 2017, 02:26:53 PM
I'm afraid  I've run out of ideas.

Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: Adondo on April 24, 2017, 01:31:53 AM
I chose not to have it displayed as percentages but as values as follows;
4 kpa - 40
3,5 kpa - 35
3 kpa - 30
2,5 kpa - 25
etc.

For fan I have 7 settings and 7 values, both from 1-7. :-)
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: SusanJoM on April 24, 2017, 09:11:17 AM
I chose not to have it displayed as percentages but as values as follows;
4 kpa - 40
3,5 kpa - 35
3 kpa - 30
2,5 kpa - 25
etc.

For fan I have 7 settings and 7 values, both from 1-7. :-)

Well, duh, that sounds just too simple  :P

Just to be sure I understand, would you upload a picture of your Events > Buttons page and a profile that shows how they look.

Thanks.
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: dave on April 24, 2017, 10:36:23 AM
@trumz

Here's something to try.  Go to Extras and check "Decimal Places".  You should then see two digits in the event bubbles.
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: SusanJoM on April 24, 2017, 12:41:11 PM
I chose not to have it displayed as percentages but as values as follows;
4 kpa - 40
3,5 kpa - 35
3 kpa - 30
2,5 kpa - 25

How do you handle .75kPa or .5 kPa ???
I just went in and changed some of my buttons, but I got stuck when it came to those possibilities. ???
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: Adondo on April 25, 2017, 01:34:10 PM
This is how it looks like (see attached picture). I personally don't  have .25 increments as I feel it is a bit unessesary precision and I'd rather use more precise airflow changes to counteract that. What I want for a profile is easy replicateability without doing 100 of changes during the roast. But if you would like to have .25 increments then I'd suggest having the values as follows;

4kpa - 40
3.75 kpa - 37
3.5 kpa - 35
3.25 kpa - 32

So just skip the 5 at the end. There's nothing that would make you think 37 is somehing else than 37.5 anyways :-)
Title: Re: How to plot power and fan in artisan
Post by: trumz on April 26, 2017, 03:12:03 AM
Here's something to try.  Go to Extras and check "Decimal Places".  You should then see two digits in the event bubbles.
Hi Dave,

This did the trick!  Great to be able to now see past gas settings.  Thanks!